VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Knightcvel

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This update was a cold shower on my expectations of seeing the release this month. That final scene alone will likely take two weeks to complete, and then there’s beta testing, which should last a week to ten days. That means it won’t be until May, nearly a year after the last release. And it’s going to be chapter six out of ten or twelve, which implies we’re looking at five years or more to see the conclusion.
 

SamualHand

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This update was a cold shower on my expectations of seeing the release this month. That final scene alone will likely take two weeks to complete, and then there’s beta testing, which should last a week to ten days. That means it won’t be until May, nearly a year after the last release. And it’s going to be chapter six out of ten or twelve, which implies we’re looking at five years or more to see the conclusion.
You can count to 12, congratulations and each number is 1 year => 5 * 1 = 5, you solved the equation congratulations!
Find a girl, get married, make some kids and come back in the year 2030 and enjoy the game! :cool:
 

Pixillin'

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So the fight decision in Chapter 5 and its consequences make no sense to me:
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No, you're reading it wrong. MC is an enemy of the Alfair automatically - he's their enemy when he shows up (Alfair and Templars hate each other). If you spare Finnabair it makes her think you might not be an enemy after all but you're an enemy by default.
 
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No, you're reading it wrong. MC is an enemy of the Alfair automatically - he's their enemy when he shows up (Alfair and Templars hate each other). If you spare Finnabair it makes her think you might not be an enemy after all but you're an enemy by default.
Correct. Mc shows up in a banner of peace and neutrality. Alfair consider him an enemy and doubt his claim. If you kill her you confirm their stance on you but if you don't you make them doubt their own stance on you.
 

Elduriel

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No, you're reading it wrong. MC is an enemy of the Alfair automatically - he's their enemy when he shows up (Alfair and Templars hate each other). If you spare Finnabair it makes her think you might not be an enemy after all but you're an enemy by default.
and they automatically assume you're a templar because of your family, so why would they welcome you after that. But if you spare her, you have a chance to explain how that is incorrect
 

Pixillin'

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and they automatically assume you're a templar because of your family, so why would they welcome you after that. But if you spare her, you have a chance to explain how that is incorrect
There's also the whole "life debt" thing just like with Medb - by sparing Finn in a duel to the death, she now owes you a life debt so it would be completely against all of their culture for Medb to kill MC at that point because she's Finn's mom.
 

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No, you're reading it wrong. MC is an enemy of the Alfair automatically - he's their enemy when he shows up (Alfair and Templars hate each other). If you spare Finnabair it makes her think you might not be an enemy after all but you're an enemy by default.
and they automatically assume you're a templar because of your family, so why would they welcome you after that. But if you spare her, you have a chance to explain how that is incorrect
Correct. Mc shows up in a banner of peace and neutrality. Alfair consider him an enemy and doubt his claim. If you kill her you confirm their stance on you but if you don't you make them doubt their own stance on you.
But then the talk of tradition makes no sense when they say tradition trumps all. He was challenged to a duel and Medb could have stopped it but didn't. He was taking a huge gamble with letting her live. The dad was the only sane person there. I think the conversation should have been worded better then because it still reads as hypocritical. Especially since as in the other path of sparing and otherwise as well, they say she would have killed Alex.


It's all politics.
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Of course, now it all makes sense lol. Political hypocrisy.
 
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But then the talk of tradition makes no sense when they say tradition trumps all. He was challenged to a duel and Medb could have stopped it but didn't. He was taking a huge gamble with letting her live. The dad was the only sane person there. I think the conversation should have been worded better then because it still reads as hypocritical. Especially since as in the other path of sparing and otherwise as well, they say she would have killed Alex.
He's in elf land, gets challenged by elf rules and accepts. Mebd wouldn't stop it. If you die you die, if not, shame but oh well. And sure, he was taking a gamble letting her live, but if he comes on a diplomatic mission and kills someone at the first opportunity he is legally allowed to, it cuts your peace mediation plan short

You are still an enemy. Showing restraint gives a kernal of doubt in their minds as to why you are. So Mebd let's you stay and sees what your intent is.
 

Yuri L

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sure, they have traditions. Medb allows the fight, as per tradition I guess, we're not given a lot of info about it. MC kills Finn. He's allowed to leave unharmed. They are not obligated to make friends with him.
No, I never talked about them being friends. I talked about him getting treated as an enemy for that act and then getting imprisoned. They made him a political prisoner. That was hilarious and something similar came up in a game called Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward and I had the same reaction there.


He's in elf land, gets challenged by elf rules and accepts. Mebd wouldn't stop it. If you die you die, if not, shame but oh well. And sure, he was taking a gamble letting her live, but if he comes on a diplomatic mission and kills someone at the first opportunity he is legally allowed to, it cuts your peace mediation plan short

You are still an enemy. Showing restraint gives a kernal of doubt in their minds as to why you are. So Mebd let's you stay and sees what you're intent is.
I get it, coming on a diplomatic mission doesn't mean that person can't defend himself when they're tricked into a duel to the death. It's all just 'do as I say, not do as I do'.
 

Pixillin'

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sure, they have traditions. Medb allows the fight, as per tradition I guess, we're not given a lot of info about it. MC kills Finn. He's allowed to leave unharmed. They are not obligated to make friends with him.
I don't really think Medb has a choice - from the way Finn describes it, she has a right to challenge you. I think later when Medb stops it it's because the challenge is over. Finn's blood is up and she's embarrassed, she doesn't want the fight to end that way so she pretends it's still going then Medb says (basically) it's over, you lost and he spared you - meaning you now owe a life debt stupid, you need to stop. But I don't think Medb really has a choice initially but to let it proceed.
 
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Pixillin'

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No, I never talked about them being friends. I talked about him getting treated as an enemy for that act and then getting imprisoned. They made him a political prisoner. That was hilarious and something similar came up in a game called Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward and I had the same reaction there.
I get it, coming on a diplomatic mission doesn't mean that person can't defend himself when they're tricked into a duel to the death. It's all just 'do as I say, not do as I do'.
No, you don't understand. The MC wants to make peace - it's a diplomatic mission in his mind but not officially. No one sent him, and no one invited him so he's officially not a diplomat, just an enemy. He has to make them see him as something other than an enemy and killing Medb's daughter is not how you do that. They would have been well within their rights to just kill him and dump the body somewhere.
 

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I don't really think Medb has a choice - from the way Finn describes it, she has a right to challenge you. I think later when Medb stops it it's because the challenge is over. Finn's blood is up and she's embarrassed, she doesn't want the fight to end that way so she pretends it's still going then Medb says (basically) it's over, you lost and he spared you - meaning you now owe a life debt stupid, you need to stop. But I don't think Medb really has a choice initially but to let it proceed.
The honorouble thing to do would be for Finn to commit sudoku since she disgraced their cultural "battle until someone's dead" by being the loser and still being alive.

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